Eggert Biography

Support the alexandr plushev t. You are watching the YouTube channel of Alexander Plyushchev, my name is Tatyana Felgenhauer, here I represent the project “Who is”. Be sure to subscribe to the channel, like it, and I am ready to introduce you to our guest today. This is Konstantin Eggert. You have a very extensive geography of life. This is Russia, Moscow, this and Yemen, military service, connects you a lot with London, Great Britain, and connects you with Lithuania.

Are you a world citizen-or is there any place that you call your home? I think that, probably, it will be so to the end, because all 9 years that I have been living here, I somehow got used to this place, even when I could go to Moscow, I did not really risk riding, yes. I felt that this is a hometown, there are graves of mom, grandmother, father, of course, you understand everything, you know everything-but, actually, a house where the family is, and in this sense, probably, the place where I return home today is Lithuania, although yes, there were and were not mentioned by you at one time, so I saw a lot, more than 80 countries of the world in the world.

But today the house is here. Today, by the way, I am very grateful to Lithuania and Lithuanians for how they accepted us, how I began to feel good here. Mom and godmother often rested in the Baltic countries, let's say this is mainly Estonia and Lithuania. We never went to Latvia-for some reason it happened. And in the two years I was brought to a plowman, to the Baltic Sea, there are some cards there, I am some kind of very miniature there.

The first, probably, the memories of Lithuania are connected with 68 years, and this is August 68, the period, the month of invasion of Czechoslovakia. I remember that we, as far as I remember, left a few days earlier, because after the Soviet Union and other Warsaw Treaty countries practically occupied Czechoslovakia on August 21, 61, Lithuanian’s attitude to all of Lithuania was very bad.

I remember these conversations that tense, that people refuse to say that people empathize with the Czechs, respectively, and we even left a little earlier. And then we often visited here, in a palange, Druskininka, I remember, Vilnius was still completely different, there were still Soviet objects such as the Opera and Ballet Theater, which were supposed to testify to development, but I really left, literally a little, crossed the river, and there were Calvar Street and there were some kind of huts-eunas, it was all such a little neglected, and it was obvious that it was obvious, and it was obvious that it was obvious.

The city, which has experienced many different stages in its development, like probably every city-but there were, of course, there were a lot of tragedies, and now even in the 9 years that I live, I see that the city is changing, has become more modern, more convenient, but it is still very comfortable, and I will honestly say that I could live in other places, probably, if I would have to live in San Paulo, I will live in a san-Paulo with Paulo with Paulo with Paulo with Paulo with Paulo with Paulo with Paulo with Paulo with Paulo with Paulo with Paulo Paulo The population of millions of people or how much is there - I was there.

But today I feel that the limit of a city in which I could live normally - 2, maybe 2. But in Vilnius, in which thousands, I feel great. You have so many things-but for you it is a foreigner, for you it was something so unusual, distant and a little alien, not Soviet, let's say. I know that this annoyed many, that these tourists came here, did not pay attention, like on the one hand, on the one hand, on the other hand, something else, even in Riga, shot about Sherlock Holmes of the movie, the most famous, although when you look at London, you understand that Riga, of course, has nothing to do with London, and London to Riga.

But of course, on the one hand, you understand that this is another world, I lived most of my life in Moscow. But at the same time you understand that as you come, you will find out some words, for example, you say thank you, please, it becomes more than your own. Moreover, I honestly say, our trips, even when I was still a boy and a teenager, to the Baltic countries, for some time we rested in Estonia for a long time, had a certain element of political education for me, because when you, for example, we rested, rented a room in the family.

In Estonia it was, it wasn’t in Lithuania, it was an interesting moment, in Pyarn. And somehow we became very friends with them, all the more, we learned quite quickly that they were, in fact, in Siberia, in fact, they met and got married there. And their uncle, her uncle, more precisely, managed to sit on the raft in time and go somewhere in Sweden in time.

And already in those years, this is the end of the 70s, maintained relations with this family in Sweden, even there, in my opinion, they began to allow foreign people, there Estonians, Lithuanians, friendship society, some, relatively speaking, with Sweden, they began to bring the parcels there, soluble coffee there and so on. Well, they learned that my grandfather was sitting, that many were shot in the family, and somehow this brought my mother and our Estonian owners.

I remember, somehow we celebrated some anniversary or some birthday of one of our owners of the apartment.They set the table, come, back and forth. And something like that, the hostess says to me: “I am then years old, there are in the wall, there are books, dishes-there take a glass, I don’t remember, bring a plate, a glass.” I open a closed part there, such as a bar, and I see: there is a portrait inside, a black-and-white portrait of a man in a tailcoat with some kind of order ribbon, a star on his chest, such a gray-haired head.

And I understand that this is hardly the ancestor of Handal and Endalihili, and I ask: “What is this portrait? For the first time I realized, I knew that the country was occupied in 40, as we were told then, voluntarily, I did not know about the fate of Konstantin Pytsa, what happened to him, that he died in prison, tortured. And I suddenly saw that people keep this portrait as a symbol of something very dear to them.

And this was also a revelation for me, a revelation, I realized that there is another reality of these people, and this reality is very historical. That is, we are talking about a year, relatively speaking, for a long time, a whole life has passed, but they kept it, just like, we know, very often festivals of folk song here, in Estonia, in Latvia, singing peoples, of course, we are always knowing, these reports of the KGBSHNI, which are now known, suddenly, God, for example, is a fault, for example, a fault.

Mosu, the national anthem of Lithuania. This was very afraid, because these peoples did not reconcile with this occupation, and for me, a boy, this discovery with this portrait of this unfortunate Konstantin Pytsa, who, incidentally, was Orthodox, which was also interesting, it was so, well, such things wagged than reading the textbook. And then, during the Baltic Way in 89, I left a little earlier than the Baltic Way happened, but I remember preparing for it, collected signatures, such activity was large.

And then, after 10 years, it was no longer surprising for me. Some came from Moscow there, what is there, what do the guys want, what happened? For me, this was no longer a question. This, of course, is a specific region specific - but do you question the story that you are taught? Because there is a history of the party, but there is this story that you are talking about. Eggert: Tanya, of course, was not a dissident, I was a typical conformist of my era of the late 70s, the beginning of the 80s, when there was some kind of affection to the country-in addition to those who were occupied, Lithuanians, Estonians, Moldovans, someone else, Georgians in the end.

You lived in the atmosphere in which you lived, you tried to make a career, you didn’t really believe in communism, you just didn’t do it, didn’t sit and did not think: “But there will be communism or not? And you understood that life is developing differently, and that much, from what you tell there, relatively speaking, on radio and television, it is simply not true.

I listened to the BBC from the age of 15, I probably began to listen to World Science in English, then I began to listen to Russian, Seva Novgorod, everything else, everything always begins with music. Of course, I was a very politicized guy, I was very interested in this-the Iranian revolution, what was happening there, and then the invasion of Afghanistan, I remember very well how we listened, on December 27, 29, 79, in our communal apartment with my mother, we listened, in my opinion, a broadcast on the Voice of America, a meeting of the UN, where we condemned the Soviet Union for this invasion.

Special assassination of the Council of People's Commissars on this occasion. Of course, my mother later worried so that I was not sent to Afghanistan. You understood that life goes differently, that, relatively speaking, a different culture exists, even the same pop music, relatively speaking. I was interested in history, but this meant that I began to find out other things that did not correspond to the Soviet interpretation of the history of the party.

Well, the history of the party, the history of the CPSU, it was called the KPSNYA, well, and something was otot, I surrendered, some kind of 2nd Congress of the RSDLP, the 3rd Congress of the RSDLP, well, I’ll even give an example, all the same, our faculty of the university, which is called the institute at the university, it, of course, was very specific, very small, there were very few such thieves, children of the children of employees.

There were a lot of special services there, there were a lot of special services. Well, well, I say such people from the street. I remember how in one of the first classes we were read by a universal story of different types, and modern there, and in short, we had some kind of special course on Soviet-Japanese relations. According to Soviet-Japanese relations, it seems that there is a standard phrase, in my opinion, no one has canceled it.

Here about all these clarifications of relations. The Japanese call them "northern territories." Our teacher says: “You know, there is a standard formula that no problem of northern territories exists, the question is closed. But you know, ”said Sergey Borisovich, he died already,“ in life, for example, it happens. If one side says that the problem is, and the other, that there is no problem, then there is still a problem.

And we must come from this. ”It seems nothing special, such a worldly lesson, well, they said, yes, what you read in the newspaper Pravda is nonsense. Then the stories of my same teachers who served, worked in the Middle East. They have seen a lot of things that did not fall into the newspapers. Honestly, only then, when I was already abroad, all this madness, throwing money and lives to maintain this Soviet influence all over the world, absolutely ineffective, absolutely by that time, some kind of mediocre, which came into a dead end, well, I just encountered it personally.

When the war began, when Argentina occupied the Falkland Islands in 82, I somehow immediately realized that I was on the side of Great Britain. And it was very interesting, we, as far as we could consume some information from the BBC or from somewhere else, were divided by sympathies, we discussed this Falkland war, the sympathies between those who were for Argentina, who were for the UK.

In general, somehow, even this did not correspond to the formal positions of the USSR, which rather funny supported the rather bloody, by the way, Argentinean junta, they killed 30 thousand people. Mostly Communists and Marxists. But they supported the advice nevertheless to Argentina in order to wedge the UK. Then I remember, he looked, there was a breakthrough, already under Gorbachev, when Tatcher arrived and gave an interview to Soviet television, and as two there or three Soviet observers, everyone had already died now, Tatcher tried to pin and bring them to a tricky question, and she put them like boys in the corners.

Well, this is also a kind of education. Well, this, of course, was lucky because it was the final, and it was clear that the USSR, at first it was clear that he would have to change, then it was clear that he would not survive. Because in MGIMO, I talked just a couple of weeks ago with Sergey Zhirnov, he said that the recruitment was just around the clock.

Have you been recruited? Eggert: Well, not around the clock, but yes, they rolled up to me, so to speak, promised an excellent work to analyze the Middle East, which was quite part of my professional duties, but they said: “Only a small test - write us a little report on the mood in the student environment. Perestroika was going on, we are interested in how young people react to the initiatives of the party.

And these people disappeared from the horizon, this man, more precisely. It was the most funny that after many years, a few, five, maybe when the Soviet Union had already ended and I worked in the Karanth newspaper, in which I was accepted when I was in Vilnius, having come there for a date for a girl, I, working in this newspaper, walked along Tverskaya and ran into a man who came to me then, recruited.

And he is like that-the employees of these organs, you won’t believe it, it was about six months, when they were quieter than water, lower than the grass. They really were even somehow frightened. He was a man who spoke in a MOM face with some new reality, which he does not understand and is a little afraid. And we faced face to face, I don’t know if his name is his name or not, I say: “Hello, Ivan Petrovich, relatively speaking.

Sinclite is like that. Some inconvenient situation. And he speaks somehow without preparation, he says, yes, we used the wrong approach to you then. ” And only then, already in adulthood, I realized then, Tanya, it was essentially a very Putin phrase. He did not say "we were mistaken." Well, well, he may say "we were mistaken," but the meaning "we did not apply the right approach." And they would find the right one - like they would take a darling, dragged to their network.

And this, this view of the special services that there are no people who cannot be broken there, but there is simply the price of the effort that should apply. And in this sense, yes, I had this meeting in my memory, and and probably, if I were told there in the middle of X there: “Go there, work, analyze some layouts in the Yemeni tribes for the CPSU Central Committee or even the first chapter.” Well, I would probably analyze it.

I repeat, I was not some kind of dissident, then some kind of modernization. Well, he probably worked, maybe I would agree. This was a cutting point for me: no knocking, no this.